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Post by gill on Sept 21, 2010 8:29:19 GMT
Maybe you could tell us who these winning ponies are so we can fully appreciate who you are and what you have to offer? That's a list and a half of winning ponies.
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Post by Nadem on Sept 21, 2010 8:54:12 GMT
I would quite like to know too xD I dont think im like that - and ive had horses for years too.... obviously not tto the extent or the knowledge that you have though... My mother isnt like that - nor are our horsy friends who have also been competing and showing for years.....
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Post by Lavender on Sept 21, 2010 9:26:44 GMT
Can we all maybe lay off Tweed!! Having watched some of the Sports Horse class, I actually agree with everything being said, maybe no so dottled after all The winning foal, was not my cup of tea at all, I much prefered the big black foal, although I'm no expert on Sports Horse classes and I'm a sucker for a pretty head (my reasoning being, it's the first thing you see in the morning, so I've got to like it )!! As I said before, I never realised a hernia could be considered a fault and I learnt that off someone who is very blunt and to the point I do hope Tweed sticks around, she has certainly livened up the forum the past day and there is maybe something to learn from them! But it has to be said, although I don't mind controversy and to the point, others don't!
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Post by eloomineight on Sept 21, 2010 10:02:19 GMT
Sports horse class... Well I could not understand how a yearling with cow hocks has done so well. I had to laugh as it is amazing as to what is seen by people who have shown for years and are outside the ring watching what goes on.
I feel showing young stock is such a great experience for their future. For not having a M&M or a Hunter, classes like the sports horse classes are a way of allowing other young horses a chance to get this experience. I may not fully understand the full in and outs of the judging but you have to have a standard for everyone to reach or be able to follow.
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Post by Nadem on Sept 21, 2010 10:07:42 GMT
If truth be told i didnt really understand the sports horse myself...i prefered the black foal also - but i watched the classes - and liked it the best I agree completely with eloomineight this was my babies first indoor show and hopefully will be better prepared for the evening championships next time : xx
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Post by rebell on Sept 21, 2010 10:29:32 GMT
Yes the stallion was mine, he is a toad but i love him! we have owned him since a weanling, the evening performance was bit too exciting for him but he behaved perfectly during the day so im so proud of him and my husband!! thanks for your lovely comments nadem and eloomineight! i always enjoy this show and thanks to lesley again! some people may think its just unaffilliated but i think its a very difficult show to do well at and think just to be placed is a big achievement at such a big and popular event as the grand slam so really well done to everyone!! x Nadem thanks for the pict taking! i cant wait til the photos come out i'll prob bankrupt myself buying them! x x
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Post by Reiss on Sept 21, 2010 10:31:21 GMT
i was not at the show and was intrigued as to what the sports horse classes were like, aka standard wise etc. especially as the finals is in its 1st year of running.
As some of you know i had a horse in those classes and was merly asking what tweed thought should have went champion.
i therefore can not comment on wither i would use the foal as a future stud stallion or not, but knowing from the dog showing world that a hernia is a breed fault, i would take it into consideration.
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Post by westfields on Sept 21, 2010 10:47:57 GMT
Can we all maybe lay off Tweed!!....... As I said before, I never realised a hernia could be considered a fault and I learnt that off someone who is very blunt and to the point I do hope Tweed sticks around, she has certainly livened up the forum the past day and there is maybe something to learn from them! But it has to be said, although I don't mind controversy and to the point, others don't! Well said Lav, its been a while since a topic on here has been so interesting.
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Post by kermie on Sept 21, 2010 10:48:44 GMT
i therefore can not comment on wither i would use the foal as a future stud stallion or not, but knowing from the dog showing world that a hernia is a breed fault, i would take it into consideration. I was always told that the only reason Aaron was gelded was because he had a hernia, so it is obviously a consideration in the Fell pony world Going back to constructive criticism points, I also thought the lack of sashes for reserves was poor. Even the actual champion sashes were much less attractive than previous years. I already thought the entries at £12 per class were too high but even more so now. I think the awards should reflect the entry fee and I feel they did so even less this time than at previous Grand Slams. Rosettes were nice though.
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Post by tweeds on Sept 21, 2010 10:52:10 GMT
A sesible debate at last, I looked up the breeding of the colt foal and hes by a 15hh stallion, I thought when I saw him he wasnt going to be very big, which puts the dilemma for where to place him as an adult, if he matures 15-15:2hh, he will look out of place in dressage classes and certainly couldnt even begin to compete against what there is in England, jumping - again size is against him as in eventing - a sire? well he carries a fault so put back to a mare which may not ever have shown the fault but perhaps carries it would double up on it thus producing the same fault again , so geld him and you are left with a real nice pony/horse , the best scotland had to offer in 2010, I sincerely hope not. Surely the whole idea of sports horses in scotland and breeding is to set heights for maybe if you are lucky breeding an international horse that could hold its own - or am I wrong?
As for the champion and this goes for every champion at every show just about, but lets get back to the show at ingliston, and concentrate on the sports horses as this is the topic which has raised the most interest. IF!!! an auction was held at the end of the sports horse judging, which animal would you have bid for (supposing you had the money- we wish eh?) or what would you thought would have brought the most money?, the 1st or 2nd placed mare? the 1st or second placed foal , the same in the yearlings, 2 yr olds and 3 yr olds, who do you think would have topped the market? or who would you have taken home?
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Post by eloomineight on Sept 21, 2010 11:26:41 GMT
During this season of showing I have seen judges interfere with animals presented in front of them, hernia's/poor conformation or animals over sedated when in the ring so being dragged round the triangle and being placed over animals who have good manners/ movement/conformation and are well behaved. It does not matter what the animal is, which is put in front of them but who owns/breed/handles/produces it, which is such a shame for animals presented at these types of show/classes. It puts off the average Joe from coming to shows. I have decided not to grade my filly nor put her forward for the BEF Grading.
I am pleased I have done this year and have been able to go to these shows as an owner competitor, show and produce my filly by myself and have met amazing people. I have already said thank you to all who where involved in the Grandslam from the team judging to the girls sweeping up.. I can't wait to get a saddle on my filly and start jumping.
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Post by Reiss on Sept 21, 2010 11:33:56 GMT
if i had the money i would still take home the one that is in my stables. it is still the one that i thought was the best. i know the faults that my horse has, but then again no horse is perfect.
i merely asked, if you had judged what your champion would be as you clearly didn't agree with the judges.
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Post by tweeds on Sept 21, 2010 11:41:43 GMT
Thats the whole reason I got into judging(after 10 yrs proving our stock was of a good quality and the painful seminars plus probationary years ) I judged what was put in front of me rather than faces - (never have been a back scratcher, which may suprise you lol). I was always harder on my own specialised breed as I felt the animals forward in breed classes had to be able to give something back to the breed, if they couldnt they were no good, (I will say this was breed clases not ridden) ridden was a different matter, conformation, manners and turnout count for a lot in ridden horses and of course type.
Its not something I would get back into as my days free are very limited nowadays, so need to plan ahead, hence my next show is to be october, though I may attend a foal show or two in nov/dec, to see the quality of youngstock coming through - as it interests me, nothing more or less and certainly no hidded agenda.
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Post by Lavender on Sept 21, 2010 11:41:56 GMT
I am not really qualified to comment on the actual judging of the Sports Horse Classes at GS, I have only competed in one once, with a show pony who was very norty and our triangle was not really a triangle!!! I came out the ring proclaiming what a stupid class it was, what was wrong with a good old walk away and trot back, etc I was convinced I was going to be last, but was gob-smacked to win it!! I didn't see all the classes at GS, but from what I did see, the one I would have paid the most money for to breed potential Sports Horses, would have been the black mare who had a stunning, well produced foal at foot! But again, I must add, I did only see the mares and foals!! My brothers un-educated guess as to why the Champion won it's class, as it looked easier to get a sash on
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Post by puddledub on Sept 21, 2010 12:05:42 GMT
On the subject of hernias - I am in two minds about the hereditary aspect as although, yes it can be inherant it can also be caused at birth if the umbilical cord is dragged or pulled and can cause the muscle on the abdomen to be slightly torn.
Even if hereditary, surely it is only one fault (which can either resolve on its own or by a rubber band or small op which in the case of a colt can be done at the time of gelding) and should be considered as just that. As there is no such thing as a perfect horse all conformation [faults] need to be assessed and considered when thinking of breeding. I personally would rather have a hernia to deal with than poor foot conformation, a bad front or cow hocks.
On another point, I currently have a yearling TB x WB who, to all intents and purposes appears to have a hernia, actually has prominant umbilical stump which can easily be indentified with a quick feel, but visually would look just like a hernia to anybody judging him.
I have previously judged youngsters with hernias and will take them into account, but have seen some that would seriously concern me for the health and wellbeing of the youngsters as were of a size that could entrap gut and cause a serious colic problem.
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