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Post by Lavender on Sept 20, 2010 15:52:27 GMT
It is a fact that BSPS HOYS qualifiers are all judged on marks, as are the M&M classes! Can't quite remember the split, but when I did intermediates, it was 60 for show, 40 for conformation. Most aren't pulled in from the go round and are brought in, in any order, which I personally hate, as to me it dis-regards the go round, but hey, I don't do these classes anymore!!
As for breed types changing, oh yes they do!! Even the show pony is a different type to what it was years ago!!
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Post by Lavender on Sept 20, 2010 16:04:24 GMT
wasnt too pleased with the m&m in hand either, knocking hocks just aint my thing! can forgive many things, but like I say its our future perhaps that should be taken into consideration That may be your opinion, but you weren't the one standing in the middle of the ring!! I know the inhand M&M judge very well, being stabled on the same yard as him, I don't entirely agree with him all the time either, but I more than respect his opinion!!
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Post by nag777 on Sept 20, 2010 16:24:18 GMT
I have moved the posts across from the previous thread and re-opened it so that the debate and comments can continue. tweeds - you must have been out of showing and judging for quite considerable time as many classes are now marked. Some at ALL levels (including Veterans) and some only at HOYS, RIHS, Olympia level INCLUDING M&Ms. Some judges have a better grasp than others on how to use their marks, some older judges even came off their relevant panels when the marking system came in as they either disapproved or could not cope and adapt their ways. However they are here to stay and give some accountability to the judges decisions. They do of course have to have the right knowledge before deciding on what mark to allocate to each horse/pony. As for not penalising overweight horses and ponies, that is shocking!! ALL panel judges have been advised for several season by their societies that overweight animals MUST be penalised and I admire all judges who follow this example. Ouch puddles, I dont approve of over weight horses and never said I did, perhaps you should state all fatties will be excluded from entering for fear of humiliation, whats overweight?? all the highlands or the majority I saw were vastly overweight. notes were only ever taken if there were a few judges in a large championship so as not to clash with opinions, mark dressage, mark sports horses but m&m etc, are you joking? , if not no wonder the judges were so incompetant - two especially I saw , if the veteran judges disagreed then its a huge loss to the future, the way I saw it, Scotish sports horses have put their future in a 4 week old colt foal with a hernia...................so much for progression, maybe its time to step back and take an objective view instead of a romatic one. Realism and facts are what I have always worked with and will continue to, like I said grand sham on a big scale. I also agree there was a lack of outside tannoy, so it was difficult for me as a spectator to keep up, lord knows how the exhibitors managed. With such outdated views you ought to be presenting Antiques Roadshow...
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Post by rebell on Sept 20, 2010 16:57:50 GMT
I loved the grand slam this year!! My horse was champion in hand and won his veteren in hand class, he is 16yr old so dont think it went on who is the oldest? the veteren classes were very strong and well done to everyone! my boy had a fantastic time and enjoyed his show so did we, will def be back to the spring one
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Post by weechief on Sept 20, 2010 17:48:52 GMT
oh, was that your boy in the in hand? We liked him a lot. And as the steward for that class I can assure you it wasn't a prize for not being dead.
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Post by Magic on Sept 20, 2010 17:54:32 GMT
A lot of veteran classes are judged like that. At the regional final the steward had a clipboard and the judges wrote down their score, this happened at all the VHS qualifiers we went to as well. Think it's way of going, manners, turnout etc they are looking at, as well as condition for age.
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Post by rebell on Sept 20, 2010 17:58:46 GMT
thankyou very much! had lots of lovely comments about him, he doesnt act his age! nobody would believe that he was 16! my husband led him, i was a nervous wreck at the side of ring! thanks for stewarding it sounds stressful! we had a fantastic show! x
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Post by tweeds on Sept 20, 2010 19:01:31 GMT
Ouch puddles, I dont approve of over weight horses and never said I did, perhaps you should state all fatties will be excluded from entering for fear of humiliation, whats overweight?? all the highlands or the majority I saw were vastly overweight. notes were only ever taken if there were a few judges in a large championship so as not to clash with opinions, mark dressage, mark sports horses but m&m etc, are you joking? , if not no wonder the judges were so incompetant - two especially I saw , if the veteran judges disagreed then its a huge loss to the future, the way I saw it, Scotish sports horses have put their future in a 4 week old colt foal with a hernia...................so much for progression, maybe its time to step back and take an objective view instead of a romatic one. Realism and facts are what I have always worked with and will continue to, like I said grand sham on a big scale. I also agree there was a lack of outside tannoy, so it was difficult for me as a spectator to keep up, lord knows how the exhibitors managed. With such outdated views you ought to be presenting Antiques Roadshow... It would be more honest and definatley more interesting and at least antiques carry an undeniable value , plus a cracked vase or damaged item looses some value, not so in this case I can assure you of that. If you need a clip board and pen to remember then perhaps its time some of us oldies with a memory could teach the new generation of inexperienced judges with obviously little background a wee bit of how to judge with an experienced and honest eye . I'll leave it at that eh guys. you just do the do, and I'll perhaps attend one or two more shows and lets hope at some time I see some judging I can actually understand whats happening as it is all I saw was some judges with all the gear and little idea. I'd love to know their background, but saying that it was an unaffiliated show so what really did I expect?
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Post by gill on Sept 20, 2010 19:10:21 GMT
Until such time as we want to encourage fat ponies, rely on memories when note-taking and point allocation is less subjective and fairer and discount ponies with normal birth physiological make-up, perhaps you should just stick to antiques and keep your out-dated, unfounded and ridiculous opinions to yourself.
What you got (and what you can expect) were judges with lots of experience who had done their homework and who weren't just sitting on the sidelines wishing they weren't past it.
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Post by Lavender on Sept 20, 2010 19:42:56 GMT
Well Tweeds, you have amused me certainly! It would be a boring old world if we all liked the same thing Can I ask, if there was any judging you did like ETA - I learned yesterday too, that a hernia is considered a fault, see life is one big school ;D
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Post by Bedrockshetlands on Sept 20, 2010 19:50:51 GMT
Well from reading the results and reports and many wonderful pictures I can only assume this grand slam was yet another success and enjoyed by the majority of exhibitors. Tweeds you clearly believe yourself to have superior knowledge and experience to everybody else, I wouldn't like to comment either way as I don't know you. However I think you would do well to familiarise yourself with current affairs within the breed and showing societies, mark judging is no new phenomenon, penalisation of overweight animals for welfare reason again is old news! To be honest I have little respect or care for whatever experience or knowledge you have as you have delivered your opinion with such ignorance and so little humility.
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Post by Nadem on Sept 20, 2010 19:59:18 GMT
Ohh!!! Rebell!! was it you who had the gentleman who won the hack/riding horse in hand class??? if you i took pictures of your lad Then again...i could be wrong!!! Please correct me!!! Not very good...but i did try haha!! I though he was gorgeous and didnt look a day over 10 K xxx
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Post by Lavender on Sept 20, 2010 20:33:16 GMT
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Post by Nadem on Sept 20, 2010 20:38:30 GMT
Thats a shame about Lesley and i would like to join Lav in saying thankyou K xxx
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Post by eloomineight on Sept 20, 2010 21:03:07 GMT
Hey, I am new to this forum, but not coming from a showing back ground, I had a fantastic show. My filly won her class and went reserve to Rebell,s lovely stallion. I agreed what you see from out side the ring is far easier than being in the middle and I take my hat off to these judges and show organisers for allowing all of us to show our animals. I was over the moon at how my girl behaved in her classes and was a real credit to me. I met a lot of hard working people with a lot of knowledge.
I have to say I found it hard when people use the saying "it's showing" but it is true. It is down to one person to decide if what is presented infront of them on that day. And all you can do is go and enjoy it.
My grumble was no sash for the reserve in-hand champion.... Again is is the taking part that counts.. With out shows like the Grandslam where would we be...
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